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Michael Dansbury's avatar

This is a very reasonable piece but I would like to know how you see violence occurring. Muslim militias protecting their mosques? "No-go zones" where any Kurdish barbers are immediately burned out?

LaoCaiLarry's avatar

In Oldham 2001 there were genuine inter-ethnic clashes, but the numbers involved were small.

The initial outbreak of violence—following the beating of pensioner Walter Chamberlain—was between Combat 18/BNP members and local Pakistanis.

But the sustained, large-scale disorder that followed (petrol bombs, running battles) was directed mostly at the police, with only intermittent bursts of White–Pakistani street fighting.

This undercuts the Douglas Murray worldview: these groups are, by definition, segregated. The real flashpoints have tended to arise not from constant mixing, but from state interventions—such as busing migrants into hotels—that forcibly create proximity.

More reading: https://www.unz.com/article/remembering-the-2001-english-race-riots/

Michael Dansbury's avatar

I've read that article and it's very good. Should be an academic discipline. The clashes will become more frequent as we run out of space. We are not the US

LSWCHP's avatar

I think this is a very optimistic take.

I'm fairly sure that if the UK were to undergo a Bataclan or 7/7 islamist mass casualty attack then there would be widespread civil disorder, particularly in the urban areas, and it wouldn't be at all easy for the authorities to get it under control.

The Southport unrest kicked off after a relatively minor event involving one guy with a knife and three fatalities. It was horrendous, but I wouldn't be surprised if more kids die in car crashes each week.

Another concert bombing with dozens of children killed and maimed and a very strained social contract would break.

There are middle aged housewives protesting against mass immigration (aka invasion) on the streets of Epping. Imagine what the angry young men are feeling, when they see a threat to their wives and daughters simply going to the shops and school?

I really think that there willl be a trigger event in the next 12 months or so, and the response will be something that historians will write about.